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Thursday, 24 January 2008

Scars on the backs of the young- children, as young as six, beating themselves with knives on the end of chains. India, Pakistan or Iraq? NO BRITAIN!


Images of flagellation in the Muslim Ashura religious ceremony. THIS IS HAPPENING IN BRITAIN - TODAY!




The BBC published this report today (BBC link at end of article)

Man charged after Muslim ceremony
A man has been charged with child cruelty after two teenage boys allegedly took part in a religious ceremony involving flagellation.
Syed Mustafa Zaidi, 43, of Station Road in Eccles, is due before magistrates in Manchester on Friday.
Greater Manchester Police said the charge relates to the treatment of two boys, aged 15 and 13, at a traditional Ashura ceremony.
The ceremony took place at a community centre in Levenshulme, police said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7207789.stm

This will be going on in a community centre near YOU!

DO YOU WANT THIS TO HAPPEN IN WHITEHAVEN? IS IT HAPPENING NOW IN CARLISLE ?

The above small snippet might well go un-noticed, but as it has been brought to my attention I have decided to do a little investigating into this most disturbing incident.

What I have found needs to be published as it appears this is a practice that is going on all over the Britain. Muslim children as young as six are still being allowed to beat themselves with knives on the end of chains. It is illegal, yet the police are not keen to prosecute. (the report I have summarised below was from 2005)

In 2003 a routine doctor's appointment in north London a doctor asked 14-year-old to take off his shirt, he noticed something very worrying. Criss-crossed on the child's back were more than 50 lacerations. The doctor asked for an explanation and was told the boy "had inflicted the wounds himself during a religious ceremony; there was nothing to worry about!" The doctor called in the child protection agency.

Through interviewing the family, a joint police and social services investigation team found that the child had made the lacerations by whipping himself with a zanjeer - a long chain with a set of curved knives attached at the end - as part of a flagellation ritual at the Idara-e-Jaaferiya mosque in Tooting, an area of Wandsworth, south London. The ritual, known as "zanjeer zani" or "zanjeer matam", was part of the Shia Muslim festival of Ashura, marked at the mosque every year.

The investigation team also discovered that the scars had built up over eight years. He had started using a zanjeer when he was seven. His brothers Hanif and Ijaz, who were 12 and nine at the time of the investigation in 2003, had also participated in the ceremony; they, too, had dozens of knife scars on their backs. At the family home, officers found video footage that the family had shot during the ceremony in 2002. Spaced well apart in a circle and beating themselves with zanjeers were the two eldest sons. But they were not the only children involved: the film showed sons from other families flagellating with the same instrument. According to a report by the Crown Prosecution Service (which was asked by the investigation team to give formal advice), the youngest child at that particular ceremony was just six years old. While children inflicted "considerable blows" on themselves, adult relatives interfered only to stop the older males causing themselves "excessive injury" having "reached a state of frenzy". The boys father was shown participating alongside his sons. As the CPS report puts it, he gestured support and did not intervene: "The apparent image is that of the younger boys trying to emulate the men."

This was not a one-off incident in a single area; it is a national issue. In the past few years, there have been similar cases in Bradford and Blackburn, also involving teenagers and children as young as ten. The commemorative festival of Ashura is central to the identity of Shia Muslims.

According to the CPS report, the parents said they would not discourage her children if they wanted to participate, even if it was against the law. It is, in fact, against the law, and yet there was no prosecution.

Letting children self-flagellate with knives on the ends of chains is an offence under Section 1(1) of the Children and Young Persons Act 1933 - one of wilful neglect in a manner likely to cause a child unnecessary suffering or injury. The opinion of the CPS was that it was possible to prosecute. The photographic and video evidence would help to show that the parents were neglectful. However, there were also problems. If the children did not want to give evidence against their parents, the authorities would have to rely on third-party evidence alone such as the medical report and the photographic and video evidence. That wasn't all. The CPS did not consider it in the public interest to prosecute. "The parents had co-operated fully," it said, "and in fact it was their co-operation which [had] then helped to stamp out this practice among children at the Tooting mosque."

Detective Superintendent Chris Bourlet, who was responsible for the case as deputy head of the Metropolitan Police's Child Protection Command, explains why his unit chose to work with the community. "The last thing [we] wanted to do was to police mosques and people's homes. It's impracticable, and you don't want to do that anyway," he says. "What we want is the community to take on this issue themselves. We can help support them. But the last thing we want to be doing is policing faiths, because it's just not our role. Our role is to protect children."

The approach seems to have worked. Two years on, a letter addressed to the management of the Tooting mosque is proudly pinned to the mosque noticeboard. It reads: "I am very pleased that the Ashura ceremony last weekend was so well conducted. Please thank your colleagues for ensuring that once again it was a complete success." It is signed by G K Jones, chief executive of Wandsworth Borough Council.

There are no official figures showing how many Shia Muslims live in the UK. The Khoei Foundation estimates that they number roughly 320,000 people - about 21 per cent of the total Muslim population - who are settled in all the major conurbations(figures from 2005). It seems that child protection agencies across the country favour working with communities on the issue of zanjeer rather than prosecuting them. Sergeant John Rigby, on the minorities team at Lancashire Constabulary, has been aware of the issue in the Blackburn area for at least six years, and some cases involving young teenagers have been reported to him. One of Lancashire's solutions has been to get the Shia community to carry out a professional risk assessment of the Ashura ceremony, and he believes this is more effective than taking people to court.
"Years ago, agencies were not aware of the ceremony," he says. "The Shia community had to understand that it is a child protection issue and [they] have taken on board some basic principles. We don't want to send it underground. It is always going to be sensitive, but we can't use that as an excuse to cover up the issue."

However, not all agencies are giving out the same child protection message. West Yorkshire Police refused to talk about a case that occurred in Bradford during the Ashura ceremony this year, except to confirm that an incident involving a ten-year-old boy was reported on 21 February. An employee of West Yorkshire Police who does not wish to be named said it was decided, at the end of the investigation, that the boy was old enough to decide whether to flagellate or not. The decision reveals a discrepancy at the national level: while a child would find it very hard to participate in zanjeer matam in London, he could travel to Bradford and do it there instead.

The ritual of zanjeer matam happens once a year, and what occurs is child neglect rather than direct abuse. None the less it raises many troubling questions. If a local authority manages to stop children participating one year, how can it ensure that they don't just start again the year after that? Secular authorities are up against the belief that self-flagellation earns greater virtue in the eyes of God. Will letting Muslim communities police themselves solve the problem or merely cover it up - or, worse, drive it underground?

Another question that arises is what the authorities would do if such a ritual were carried out by, say, British pagans. It is hard to imagine that it would be dealt with in the same way. Surely a crime is a crime. Should the law make exceptions for certain types of belief?

The issue of zanjeer matam also challenges the notion that, over time, minority communities will automatically take on the value system of the majority. The use of zanjeers has been going on among Shias for hundreds of years, but until very recently no one seemed to think the ritual would be practised in Britain by second- and third-generation children. Yet it is, and as openly in this country as in India, Pakistan or Iraq.

The news team have put a shortened version of this story on the main web site - http://www.bnp.org.uk/2008/01/25/man-charged-after-muslim-ceremony/

VIDEO OF THE DAY- http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ISf_z-OWgAg

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

And if they'll do that to their own children is it any wonder that they do this to kafir kids...

From http://samirkuntar.net/

Samir Kuntar(mhrih)
CONFESSED CHILD KILLER

On July 12, 2006 Lebanese Hezbollah militants crossed the border with Israel in an operation dubbed "Operation Truthful Promise," which was aimed at nabbing Israeli soldiers in exchange for Lebanese prisoners. Hezbollah succeeded in the operation and successfully took hostage two Israeli soldiers, Eldad Regev and Ehud Goldwasser. During the operation, eight Israeli soldiers were killed. This ignited the sequence of events which led to the Israel/Lebanon summer war.


The story goes further back than July of 2006. It really began in April 1979! On Sabbath day, April 22, 1979, Danny and Smadar Haran met up with a monster named Samir Kuntar.

Danny and Smadar were a loving Israeli couple. They had everything they could ever hope for... love, marriage and two precious daughters, Einat, 4 and Yael, 2. That day Smadar was home anticipating Danny's return from work and preparing for the Sabbath. She had just picked up their two toddlers from day care. Danny, on the other hand, was looking forward to nothing more than getting home and spending time with his wife and his two young daughters.

Traditionally, the Sabbath is the most special day of the week, the day the family gets to spend time together and celebrate their bond to Judaism. It was especially important for Danny who, as a young father, had to work extra hard in order to provide for his wife and young children. Little did Smadar know that this would be the last Sabbath she would celebrate with her family because of a man named Samir Kuntar. Around midnight the nightmare began!

Who is Samir Kuntar?

Samir Kuntar is one of three Lebanese prisoners still serving time in Israeli jails. Kuntar, a Lebanese Druze Muslim born on July 20, 1962 in the Lebanese mountain village of Aabey currently holds the dubious distinction of being the longest held Lebanese prisoner in Israeli jails! He was a member of Abu Abbas' notorious PLF (Palestine Liberation Front) which committed despicable acts of terror against Israeli, Jewish, and American targets worldwide throughout the 1970's and 1980's. Kuntar was convicted and sentenced to a 534 years prison sentence by the state of Israel. Israel even almost tried to pass a bill to have him executed! What did he do? What was his crime?

The Nasser Operation

The crime he committed was the most horrific crime ever committed on Israeli soil! On April 22, 1979 Samir Kuntar along with a gang of three other PLF terrorists (Abed Majeed Asslan, Ahmed Al-Abras, and Mhanna Salim Al- Muyaed) departed from the southern Lebanese seashore city of Tyre on a 55-horsepowered rubber motor boat. Their destination was the Israeli coastal city of Naharyia, about 10 km south of the Lebanese border, the target of their operation was a residential apartment building. This operation was dubbed "Nasser Operation" and its aim was the killing and terrorizing of Israel's Jewish civilians.


Kuntar shown at far left

The terrorists made landfall in the Israeli coastal city of Naharyia at around midnight, undetected under the cover of darkness. As they made their way along the shore, they were intercepted by an Israeli police officer whom they shot dead. In Naharya the terrorists broke into a building as other Israeli police officers arrived on the scene. The terrorists then broke into Danny and Smadar Haran's apartment, fired their weapons and threw grenades. Smadar managed to find a crawl space into which she, her younger daughter, 2 year old Yael, and a neighbor all hid. To prevent Yael from crying and giving away their hiding place, Smadar covered the child's mouth with her hand.

According to Smadar "They held Danny and Einat while they searched for me and Yael, knowing there were more people in the apartment. I will never forget the joy and the hatred in their voices as they swaggered about hunting for us, firing their guns and throwing grenades. I knew that if Yael cried out, the terrorists would toss a grenade into the crawl space and we would be killed. So I kept my hand over her mouth, hoping she could breathe. As I lay there, I remembered my mother telling me how she had hidden from the Nazis during the Holocaust. 'This is just like what happened to my mother,' I thought."

Sadly, Smadar's attempt to muffle her daughter's whimpering proved fatal. Yael was accidentally suffocated and died within the hiding space.

According to Smadar Haran, her last memories of Danny and Einat, that day, were when they were being led away at gun point by Kuntar. She could hear from her closet space Danny telling Einat, "Don't be scared, my baby, it will be alright" and Einat replied to him in her little voice, "Dad, where is Mommy? I want Mommy." Smadar's last memory of her 2-year-old daughter, Yael, was when her little daughter was taken to the apartment hiding space. Right before Yael had her mouth covered by her mother, she asked her mother "Where is my little pacifier." There was no time to search for the pacifier. Minutes later Smadar covered Yael's mouth to keep her from revealing the hiding space. Smadar soon felt her daughter's tiny tongue licks and lip sucking on the palm of her hand. She didn't know what to make of it at first but hours later was told by doctors and paramedics that the reason Yael was licking her palm while she covered her mouth was because she was gasping for air.

After taking Danny and four-year old Einat hostage, Kuntar and his group took them down to the beach. Samir Kuntar quickly shot Danny in the back and then drowned him in the Mediterranean Sea to ensure his death. While Kuntar drowned Danny, he forced terrified Einat to watch and cry. According to eyewitnesses, "Danny was murdered in front of Einat so that his death would be the last sight she would ever see." Little Einat would not have that horrible memory in her head for long. Kuntar, the brave Lebanese freedom fighter, crushed Einat's skull over and over upon the rocks with the butt of his rifle until she was dead.

During the ensuing shootout between Kuntar's terror group and Israeli police, two policeman were killed along with two of the Arab terrorists. Kuntar and the fourth participant, Ahmed Al-Abrass, were captured. Ahmed Al-Abrass was later free by the Israeli authorities in the infamous May 1985 Ahmed Jibril prisoner exchange deal in which 1,150 Arab prisoners (some of whom had blood on their hands) were exchanged for three Israeli soldiers. Kuntar was not included in the deal.

The Israeli government determined at first to make a decision to execute Kuntar, for his horrific crime, especially for the fact that he tortured and beat to death the 4-year old toddler. Israeli Prime Minister at that time, Menachem Beagin , proposed a draft resolution to the Security and Foreign Affairs Committee in the Israeli Keenest on April 24, 1979. He demanded to eliminate a previous resolution stipulated by the Israeli cabinet, which said no execution should be implemented against terrorists as the international law prohibits it. The Israeli Foreign Minister Izer Weizman and Transportation Minister Hayeem Landau supported Beagin’s draft resolution. Abraham Sharer, who was the head of the Likude parliamentary bloc also, called for Kuntar’s execution. Isaac Shamir issued a statement on April 25, 1979 also calling for his execution.


The Israelis tried to implement the execution sentence on Samir Kuntar and the whole parliament agreed on them. The only dilemma they were having was the Israeli law that doesn’t allow execution except for the Nazis of the World War II and to those found guilty of betrayal to their country. Furthermore, they did not want the international community on their backs; also, they wanted to improve their relationship with Egypt after the peace process. As a consequence, the Israeli central court in Haifa sentenced Kuntar to 5 life sentences plus 47 years to come up with the total of 542 years. During the trial, Kuntar was waving victory signs, and called himself a hero.

Samir Kuntar has confessed proudly to his murder of the little girl and never once showed one ounce of remorse for his crime. Even while serving his prison term, he has bragged repeatedly during interviews about how proud he was for murdering the 4-year-old Israeli child. While in prison Kuntar got married and even receives conjugal visits. Below he stands proudly alongside other convicted Arab murderer, Marwan Barghouti.


Several months later, the PLF seized the Achille Lauro, an Italian cruise ship, and demanded that Israel release Kuntar along with a list of 50 other Palestinian prisoners. Ironically out of the 50 Arab Palestinian prisoners that were demanded, Kuntar was the ONLY one that was "actually" named on that list. The hijackers killed a wheelchair-bound American Jewish passenger, Leon Klinghoffer, and threw him overboard into the Mediterranean Sea. Kuntar was not released, but his supporters would not give up. In 2004 Israel release ALL Lebanese prisoners except for Kuntar and two other Lebanese (Nissim Nasser and Yehya Sakaf). In fact Kuntar, as well, was almost released by Israel during that infamous Israel Hezbollah Prisoner Exchange of 2004, BUT in the last second Hezbollah violated the agreement and Kuntar remained behind bars!

War: July 12, 2006

On July 12, 2006 per orders of Hezbollah leader, Sheik Hasssan Nasrallah, Hezbollah terrorists crossed the northern Israeli border. They attacked two Israeli military vehicles with anti tank missiles, killed four soldiers, kidnapped two others and demanded the immediate unconditional release of Samir Kuntar in exchange for the two abducted soldiers. Hezbollah originally named this operation "Operation Freedom for Samir Al-Kuntar," but on the days leading up to the July 12 attack it was shortened to "Operation Truthful Promise." The latter referred to the "true promise" Nasrallah had made to the Kuntar family that the cross-border kidnapping of IDF soldiers to force the release of Samir Kuntar.
In subsequent interviews on Al-Manar TV station Dr Mohamad Jawad Khalifeh, the Lebanese Minster of Health, congratulated Hezbollah for "its great actions" and said that "Lebanon has the right to regain its prisoners and liberate them." Ali Ammar, an Hezbollah member of the Lebanese Parliament, stated his opinion that "particularly at this basic stage in the history of the homeland and the nation, this government should have expressed solidarity with its people and let Samir Quntar feel that he is a Lebanese par excellence."

As expected, the Israeli government was not interested in negotiating with terrorists. They sent a small number of troops into southern Lebanon in an attempt to quickly find and free their two soldiers. Soon Hezbollah began shelling Israel's northern communities with Katuysha rockets in an attempt to kill as many innocent men, women and children as possible and to pressure the Israeli government to take the prisoner exchange demand. Israel had no choice but to escalate their response. Both Hezbollah, their supporters and Lebanon's civil infrastructure all suffered the consequences. Even though Israel defeated Hezbollah during this war, it still didn't manage to get its soldiers back.

During the fighting Israel captured a Hezbollah terrorist by the name of Ali Hassan Saliman. In the interviews/interrogations following his capture, Saliman said that the main objective of Hezbollah's corss-border kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers was to secure the release of Samir Kuntar. Also, that Nasrallah had made a promise to the Kuntar family that Samir would be released. The Hezbollah operation was first and foremost aimed at releasing Kuntar. Everything else was secondary.

Israel's track record of going against it's previous policy of not releasing Arab prisoners with blood on their hands in exchange for IDF soldiers has come home to roost. Arab terrorist groups have been encouraged to kidnap Israelis in the hope (and often the expectation) that these soldiers will become bargaining chips for the release of Arab prisoners. This softening of Israel's formerly strict policy of never negotiating with terrorists has merely added fuel to the fire. Israeli soldiers are supposed to protect the children of Israel, not to facilitate the release of child murderers, such as the monster, Samir Kuntar.

Neither Israelis individually nor their military intentionally targets children or any non-combatant, for that matter. When children die, it is nearly always because they are caught in the crossfire or when they are "set up" by their fellow Arab-terrorists to score propaganda points. But NEVER would manner of the killing be so pre-planned nor would the act itself be so glorified, such as that as Samir Kuntar.

Smadar Haran has since remarried and is raising a new family. She hopes that Samir Kuntar will stay behind bars until his dying day. "I don't believe that the terrorist will be released now, and I don't believe that the Israeli government will accept this request, after it promised not to release terrorists with blood on their hands."

Samir Kuntar on Al-Arabya">
Samir Kuntar bragging and justifying his heroic deed (of killing the little girl)
in an interview from his jail cell, on the Arabic news channel, Al-Arabya!

We at SamirKuntar.net concur with Smadar Haran. We will do whatever we can to see that Samir Kuntar rots in Israeli prisons. We would also urge the Israeli government and courts to reverse the long-standing policy of not allowing for the administration of the death sentence. After all, Samir Kuntar and other Samir Kuntars like him never thought twice about administrating the death sentence to little Einat Haran and other Einat Harans just like her!

CONCLUSION

Kuntar was not the reason Israel chose to go to war with Lebanon but he was the reason Hezbollah kidnapped the two soldiers which set the war process in motion.

POSTSCRIPT

Neither Israel nor Hezbollah doubt that Kuntar murdered Danny and Einat Haran. The only difference is that Israel sees him as the cold-blooded murderer he is. Hezbollah and their supporters glorify him as a freedom fighter and hero!

There is another point worth mentioning. Hezbollah has never claimed that Kuntar was innocent or that he may have been framed. They only demand his release as if he were being held unlawfully and that Israel had no right to imprison him. Once again it's all about Israel never doing any right and Arabs incapable of doing any wrong!

A Sad Gruesome Reality
After drowning Danny in the sea in front of little Einat, Kuntar, the brave Lebanese freedom fighter, then turned his attention towards the frightened little 4-year old. He took his rifle and then swung it across the little toddler's head, knocking her to the ground. As little Einat was knocked to the ground, she was screaming and crying hysterically "mommy daddy help me," while thrashing her little legs around in the sand. But unfortunately Einat was alone, and no one was there to save her. Kuntar then dragged the little toddler a couple of feet to the closest rock he could find, this was while she was begging him not to hurt her. Kuntar, then laid her head down on a rock, with the intention of crushing it with the butt of his rifle. Einat, instinctively covered her head with her little arms, Kuntar struggled with the little toddler until he finally managed to clear her arms out of the way so that he could aim for her head. Once her arms were out of the way, Kuntar proceeded on beating her on the head over and over with the butt of his rifle, and stomping on her little body repeatedly as well, until blood rushed out of her ears and mouth, and her little cries faded away as she was knocked into unconsciousness. Then, to ensure she was dead, Kuntar continued on beating her over the head, as hard as he could, several more times until her skull was crushed and she was dead.

SHORT NOTE: The way Kuntar killed little Einat is reminiscent to the way the Nazis used to kill Jewish babies during the Holocaust, by crushing their little heads with their boots or with the butts of their rifles!

25 January 2008 01:05  
Anonymous Penrith Loyal said...

The assertion that immigrants are needed to pay future pensions is a fallacy.
As long as the economy remains stable there will be sufficient funds to cater for this.Older people are working longer and the acturial presumption that life expectancy will continuously increase has been based on the longevity of the war generation who were exceptionally forced to adopt a regime of regular exercise and a moderate and balanced diet.This will not happen again and indeed the present levels of obesity involving high consumption levels of salt,sugar and fat combined with drug taking, excess alcohol consumption and a sedentary lifestyle have produced calculations that predict that 40% of the children at school today will die before they are 50 years old.
However what we have at present is a Govt strategy for an EXPANDING economy, which, rather like pyramid selling always needs new punters to come in along the bottom line of the pyramid and taken to its logical conclusion means that the whole of europe will emmigrate to Britain to work.
The collapse of the expanding pyramid will come when the currency in the new entrant nations equalises with the average. What is required to avoid this is a strategy for a STABLE economy and control of levels of emmigration to suit that strategy and the present problem springs entirely from the failure of the Govt to properly think through their long term strategy.
Aside from the economics there is another problem involving cultural tribalism which is an integral part of the instinctive nature of man and mostly not open to reasoned debate.
This is not so likely to be a problem with Polish immigrants who have essentially the same culture, but the evidence seems to be that where the culture or religious doctrine is radically different, that there is an instinctive (possibly genetic and uncontrollable)reaction by the indigenous population which, historically has lead to extreme civil strife in every past case I have looked at. I cannot think of a single case or country where radically different cultures live together in harmony.Where these different cultures exist in the same nation they only manage to avoid continuous conflict by adopting a form of self imposed apartheid, only meeting when unavoidable for essentials like buying food or decisions about funding. This is now the case in many parts of the UK and as yet there appears to be no answer to it apart from voting for the British National Party in which thankfully many people are doing now,this government has given this country a severe dose of Cirrhosis of the liver which is almost 90% destroyed,but like the liver, this country can and will recover to its glorious past, if treated correctly!!

25 January 2008 18:38  
Blogger Clive Jefferson said...

The religion of peace proves itself - again-

By Tim Marshall, Sky News foreign affairs editor
If I insult you, am I responsible for your violence?
It's a question being debated in the Netherlands this week as Dutch embassies around the world beef up their security ahead of the release of a film on the internet which allegedly insults the Koran. It's reported to show the Koran being torn up and otherwise desecrated.
The extreme right wing politician Geert Wilders has made the ten minute film promoting his belief that the Koran inspires people 'to do the worst things'. His views have inspired him to talk about a 'Tsunami of Islamisation' in Europe, for the Koran to be banned, and for Dutch Muslims to either give up their religion or leave the country.
These remarks have gained his party nine seats in the 150 seat parliament and himself a 24 hour police guard.
He needs it. The last Dutchman to make a film which angered some ended up with a knife in his chest attached to a note insulting Jews and Christians. Theo Van Gogh's murderer, an Islamist, also attempted to behead his victim in the street.
The violence of the Danish Cartoon protests of 2005 roared around the world and resulted in dozens of deaths. Now, hearing of the Wilders film, the Iranian Parliament has warned of 'extensive repercussions around the world' if it's shown
Mr Wilders has reacted by announcing he will delay release for two weeks and accepts he may have to leave the country. Dutch Embassies around the world have been put on alert and the Dutch counter terrorist services have held emergency meetings with the Government. Most politicians in the Netherlands believe Mr Wilders is being inflammatory and insulting, but are sticking to the principle of freedom of expression.
It could all come to nothing, but it could get ugly. The Grand Mufti of Syria accuses Mr Wilders of 'inciting wars and bloodshed and he will be responsible'.
This in effect means, 'it's your fault if I'm violent' which is an interesting argument but not one which would stand up in a court of law. If someone insults your family and you hit them you are still guilty of violent physical assault.
The law of the street might agree you did the right thing but few intelligent people can argue that the law of street is a good way to handle inter-communal relations. People who always react with violence to perceived and or real insults usually end up in prison or mental institutions.
So we wait to see just how insulting Mr Wilders will be. His past record suggests he can't see a top without going over it. He's pretty much saying 'You wanna make something of it?' Let's see who does.
::You can hear Tim Marshall's weekly Foreign Matters podcast at http://news.sky.com/skynews/podcasts
Written by Tim Marshall, January 24, 2008

25 January 2008 22:11  
Anonymous bill.p said...

I don"t know what i can say about this!!! I think it says it all by its self "BUT"......Multi culturalism,, you just gotta luv it!! Just can"t wait till the next one, so i can go round WITH A MEAT CLEAVER and hit some REDS over the head and say "but its my religion guv".......Honest.......Well anyway. this is not a threat, nor should it be taken as one, it is just a fictious peice of my imagination just like the red scum that call the BNP racists and hitler lovers and want everyone that is not english and WHITE thrown out of this land of ours,including my wife, my mixed race daughter-in-law,grand kids,my cousin, who is half asian, my aunty who is a 80 year old buddist monk in the south lakes, my eldest"s sons god father, who is from Nepal(Gurkha"s)....

26 January 2008 01:12  
Anonymous persian said...

No nation in this wold experienced horrors and destruction force of Evil Islam like us the Persians in the past 1427 years and unfortunately in the western world there are lots of politicians who are going to be called worse than TRAITORS by their future generation ,so i am afraid we are heading for a full civil war possibly heavier than last one Europe had with killer Evil ISLAM.
God help us because the corrupted careless Politicians won't.

26 January 2008 14:24  
Anonymous dalton lad said...

MORE MUSLIM FAMILY VALUES

Muslim honour killing comes to Cumbria:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=507020&in_page_id=1770


Detalied background of Muslim 'religious' justification for honour killing:

http://uppompeii1.uppompeii.com/2008/01/26/honor-killing-is-absolutely-islamic.aspx

26 January 2008 22:23  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

persian said...
"No nation in this world experienced horrors and destruction force of Evil Islam like us the Persians in the past 1427 years."


Persia/Parthia/Iran was once a high civilizion famed worldwide for its art, poetry, literature, scholarship and craftmanship.

But just look at it now, an ignorant Arab theocracy - all its proud past just so much Jahiliyyah destroyed by the malignant cancer of Islam.

And this is OUR future, the future of our culture, a wicked and vicious theocracy that will violate and destroy all we hold dear, unless our country undergoes the necessary surgery to remove the malignancy.

27 January 2008 01:47  
Anonymous Warrior said...

WOW, you are a far more articulate writer than I am. Most of my posts are just a link and a snippet of what is in the article. And I am NOT politically correct at all. Can I link to your blog from mine?

Warrior

27 January 2008 17:10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mother Ecclesiastica here...

"Ashura" means "Bloodletting".

This annual ritual is practiced here in Australia, too!

Male babies as young as six months old are cut on the scalp and forehead by their fathers.

It's the Shiite 'moral equivalent' to our Christening Ceremony at the Baptismal font.

Does anyone think we have anything in common with these filthy savages?

By the time the boys have grown to manhood, they are insane: sadists.

Sadism is still classed as a form of insanity.

Outlaw Islam.
Deport all Muslims at once.

28 January 2008 02:09  
Anonymous alex.lichfield bnp said...

out of interest i rarely speak on certain race issues,but has anyone noticed why were there no black or asian police officers on this demonstration ? i stretched my eye as far as i could see but never noticed one ? could it be ethnic police officers are more looked after than their white colleagues and feel there is no need to protest and march ?

3 February 2008 17:35  
Blogger watty said...

to see what our musslim brothers are like check out jack hensley@ballistic art videos-be warned its brutel but should be watched.these scum are animals.

29 March 2008 14:18  
Anonymous Francis Clarke-Rowland said...

It is interesting to note that this ritual was banned in Iraq under Sadam Hussain and is now legal there under us.
Francis C-R

6 October 2008 21:30  

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